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Crashing Waterloo

1 year 10 months ago #1 by massena

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    Hello Folks,

    The good people over at Slitherine sent me here because they ran out of ideas about solving my problem.

    My problem is that SOWWL will instantaneously crash if I press any of these (and maybe other) buttons on the grog bar:

    ordre mixte left
    ordre mixte right
    column in line
    double line hold form
    single line hold form
    battle column
    battle maneuver

    Plus, I have a suspicion that the AI overrides my commands too easily and quickly, making it very difficult to control the troops.

    I’ve done the following to remedy the problem:

    Upped to 8GB of RAM
    Updated Nvidia driver
    Disabled all background programs
    Uninstalled the game
    Uninstalled Steam

    Best,
    John

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    1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #2 by RebBugler

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  • Replied by RebBugler on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    Yeah, better to address Grog Toolbar issues with this forum, it was built and developed via feedback here.

    As to your issues, first make sure you have the latest Grog Toolbar update , just released 3 days ago. Next, open the game and go to Modifications. In Modifications make sure the Grog Toolbar is prioritized in the lowest priority (bottom of the list). If not, make it so and play a game.

    If it still crashes attach or copy the 'Documents/SowWL/SowWL.log' file here.

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    1 year 10 months ago #3 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    Thanks. But, where is my mod folder? Do I need to create it?

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    1 year 10 months ago #4 by RebBugler

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  • Replied by RebBugler on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    No problem. Right click on your game's shortcut icon and open Properties. In Properties select 'Open File Location'. You'll find the Mods folder here, inside the WL main folder. Open the Mods folder, delete any Grog Toolbar file therein, then copy the latest Grog Toolbar update there.

    Follow the previous priority instructions and you should be good to go.

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    1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #5 by DarkRob

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  • Replied by DarkRob on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo

    Plus, I have a suspicion that the AI overrides my commands too easily and quickly, making it very difficult to control the troops.


    So long as your troops are not in range of the enemy, they will always obey your commands. Once they engage in combat however, the AI will take over. So long as you leave your officers and men under AI control, the AI's commands override yours. Any movements or commands you give them while they are under AI control are more like suggestions, and the AI will almost always override them in favor of its own plans. In order to have full control of your troops you must "Take Charge" of them(We call it TC.)

    When you TC a unit/s or officer, you disable the AI's ability to command it/them. This has pros and cons. On the one hand, you now have full command and control of the units you TC, and they will do exactly what you want them to without interference from the AI.

    But this comes with some drawbacks. Without the AI, the units or officers are for all practical purposes, brain dead zombies. They cannot think, or act for themselves, aside from a few automatic actions such as deploying into line and firing at enemy units that either it comes into engage distance with, or that come within range of it. Beyond that, they are fully dependent on you to not lead them into disaster.

    But, where is my mod folder? Do I need to create it?

    Go into your hard drive and look for the Matrix games folder, click on it. Then look for the Scourge of War Waterloo folder, click on that. It will bring up a whole bunch of other folders, one of them will be labeled "mods", it will probably be like the 8th or 9th folder down. Drag the grog toolbar folder and drop it into the mods folder. You're done.

    Launch the game, go into the modifications tab, left click on the grog toolbar and drag it to the bottom of the list. Check the enable box, then go to the bottom of the screen and hit "Use selected mods". Your cursor will briefly turn into an hourglass and then return you to the title screen. You're done.
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    1 year 10 months ago #6 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    OK. Now I have the the latest Expanded Grog Toolbar in the Mod section of Waterloo. It is checked. I launch the game...but see only 'Line' 'Column' Square' and 'Use Road' buttons.

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    1 year 10 months ago #7 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    P.S. I've deleted the previous Grog Toolbars from the Mod section.

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    1 year 10 months ago #8 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    Ahem, there are other buttons.

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    1 year 10 months ago #9 by DarkRob

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  • Replied by DarkRob on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo

    OK. Now I have the the latest Expanded Grog Toolbar in the Mod section of Waterloo. It is checked. I launch the game...but see only 'Line' 'Column' Square' and 'Use Road' buttons.


    Sounds like you might still have the pop-up context menu enabled. Go into options and disable that. We don't use it with the grog toolbar.

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    1 year 10 months ago #10 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    Hello DarkRob:

    If I disable the pop-up context menu, the orders I give to division and brigade commanders will not be transmitted to subordinate units.

    Whether the pop-up context menu is enabled or not, the game still crashes. Boo-hoo.

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    1 year 10 months ago #11 by DarkRob

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  • Replied by DarkRob on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo

    Hello DarkRob:

    If I disable the pop-up context menu, the orders I give to division and brigade commanders will not be transmitted to subordinate units.

    Whether the pop-up context menu is enabled or not, the game still crashes. Boo-hoo.


    The context menu has nothing to do with orders being transmitted.

    However, if your game is still crashing, something else is wrong. What scenario are you trying to play?

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    1 year 10 months ago #12 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    Thanks for that DarkRob

    The games crashes in all scenarios and all battles.

    Best,
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    1 year 10 months ago #13 by DarkRob

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  • Replied by DarkRob on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo

    Thanks for that DarkRob

    The games crashes in all scenarios and all battles.

    Best,
    John


    I'm racking my brain trying to think of what the problem could be. Are you running Windows 10? Did you buy the game recently?

    I vaguely remember something about the game crashing on Windows 10 if the game was updated to patch 1.03 without first having 1.02

    If you got the game recently and updated through the matrix installer, it's possible it just went from the base game directly to 1.03, without first updating to 1.02

    Really we need Reb or Mitra to help you with this one. This one is out of my area of expertise. But I suggest doing what Reb initially advised and posting your log file.

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    1 year 10 months ago #14 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    Actually, Paolo over at Slitherine suggested I do just what you recommend, downloading successive versions of Waterloo.

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    1 year 10 months ago #15 by RebBugler

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  • Replied by RebBugler on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    If it's an install issue, read this:
    www.norbsoftdev.net/forum/nuts-and-bolts-waterloo/78697-more-reported-issues-with-patch-v103-and-fixes#79395

    I didn't mention this fix because you mentioned this was a Steam purchase.

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    1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #16 by DarkRob

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  • Replied by DarkRob on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo

    If it's an install issue, read this:
    www.norbsoftdev.net/forum/nuts-and-bolts-waterloo/78697-more-reported-issues-with-patch-v103-and-fixes#79395

    I didn't mention this fix because you mentioned this was a Steam purchase.


    Matrix Games really needs to clean that mess up. Its a lot to expect of new players to figure that out themselves.

    At this point they should discontinue the base game and separate DLC's and just sell the collectors edition and update the installer to automatically update it in the correct order. Id hate to think we're losing possible new players to this nonsense and they end up missing out on one of the great wargames of all time.
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    1 year 10 months ago #17 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    Hi ReBugler:

    I don't think it was a Steam purchase. Anyway, I've followed your instructions to the letter. We're almost there, I think. Hers are the Mods, in order (from top to bottom)

    Expanded Toolbar - Grog
    Expanded ToolbarVIII - Grog (i)
    Full French Campaign
    Toobar Expanded - Grog

    I checked all the mods. But there are still problems. Right oblique, Left Oblique, line hold and many other buttons don't show up. There is a moveable bar on the screen.

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    1 year 10 months ago #18 by DarkRob

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    Hi ReBugler:

    I don't think it was a Steam purchase. Anyway, I've followed your instructions to the letter. We're almost there, I think. Hers are the Mods, in order (from top to bottom)

    Expanded Toolbar - Grog
    Expanded ToolbarVIII - Grog (i)
    Full French Campaign
    Toobar Expanded - Grog

    I checked all the mods. But there are still problems. Right oblique, Left Oblique, line hold and many other buttons don't show up. There is a moveable bar on the screen.


    No you only want the version 8.5 grog toolbar(the one you downloaded from this site today) Delete all the other grog toolbars. Uncheck Full French Campaign. The only mod you should have enabled is the Grog Toolbar 8.5
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    1 year 10 months ago #19 by massena

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    Hi Folks:

    I checked Expanded ToolbarVIII - Grog (i), and unchecked everything else (not deleted), on the Mod screen. Problem still unsolved. Right oblique, Left Oblique, line hold, charge, advance when engaged and many other buttons don't show up. Incredible.

    Is version 8.5 grog bar the same as Expanded Toolbar VIII?

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    1 year 10 months ago #20 by DarkRob

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    Hi Folks:

    I checked Expanded ToolbarVIII - Grog (i), and unchecked everything else (not deleted), on the Mod screen. Problem still unsolved. Right oblique, Left Oblique, line hold, charge, advance when engaged and many other buttons don't show up. Incredible.

    Is version 8.5 grog bar the same as Expanded Toolbar VIII?


    I'm still running 8.4 so I haven't looked at 8.5 yet. If you aren't sure which one is correct just delete all of them and redownload 8.5 from the first post in the Grog Toolbar thread and make sure that's the only one you put in the mod folder.

    If you still are experiencing problems after that then I'm really out of ideas. Almost all of us use the Grog Toolbar exclusively and I've never heard of an issue like this.
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    1 year 10 months ago #21 by RebBugler

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  • Replied by RebBugler on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo

    Hi Folks:

    I checked Expanded ToolbarVIII - Grog (i), and unchecked everything else (not deleted), on the Mod screen. Problem still unsolved. Right oblique, Left Oblique, line hold, charge, advance when engaged and many other buttons don't show up. Incredible.

    Is version 8.5 grog bar the same as Expanded Toolbar VIII?


    This is an intuitive toolbar that hides buttons when they are not applicable. For example, when the unit is not engaged, the Charge, Withdraw, Advance and Retreat buttons are hidden. Also, some buttons, when clicked, popup a menu with more options, formations, oblique movements, etc. And of course, the toolbar differs as to unit level.

    To find the 'Expanded Toolbar VIII' version click on its name in Modifications. On the right side of the Modifications window is the mod's Info screen. The version number is identified here.

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    1 year 10 months ago - 1 year 10 months ago #22 by DarkRob

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    This is an intuitive toolbar that hides buttons when they are not applicable. For example, when the unit is not engaged, the Charge, Withdraw, Advance and Retreat buttons are hidden. Also, some buttons, when clicked, popup a menu with more options, formations, oblique movements, etc. And of course, the toolbar differs as to unit level.


    OMG imagine if its been this the whole time?? Lol. Sometimes I forget how long I've been playing this game and how much I just take for granted. It's been a long time since I was a new player and I guess I sometimes assume a level of knowledge of any given player that perhaps I shouldnt.

    Kudos for thinking all the way back to square one Reb.
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    1 year 10 months ago #23 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    Hi:

    There is no information when I click on the Expanded Toolbar VIII so I don't know what version I have.

    Buttons that are applicable to combat appear in the context menu only, and the contest menu appears only when the enemy and friendly units are in physical contact, or practically so. Impossible to plan ahead.

    I'm getting a sinking feeling here...

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    1 year 10 months ago #24 by DarkRob

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    Hi:

    There is no information when I click on the Expanded Toolbar VIII so I don't know what version I have.

    Buttons that are applicable to combat appear in the context menu only, and the contest menu appears only when the enemy and friendly units are in physical contact, or practically so. Impossible to plan ahead.

    I'm getting a sinking feeling here...


    I said before, you have to disable the context menu, it isnt used with the grog toolbar.

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    There is no information when I click on the Expanded Toolbar VIII so I don't know what version I have.



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    1 year 10 months ago #26 by DarkRob

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  • Replied by DarkRob on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    For what it's worth Reb, I just downloaded 8.5 and ran through the first half hour or so of the Heroes Of Strasbourg. All the buttons are there, all the combat mechanics seem to be working fine. Granted it was just a quick run through, but everything seems to be working right.
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    1 year 10 months ago #27 by massena

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    Nothing like that appears on my screen.

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  • Replied by massena on topic Re: Crashing Waterloo
    I disabled the context menu and it's even worse. I cannot engage in any kind of combat I choose, only the AI has that capacity. What a mess.

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    FYI, I deleted from the the Mod everything but the grog bar.

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    I disabled the context menu and it's even worse. I cannot engage in any kind of combat I choose, only the AI has that capacity. What a mess.


    Im sorry man, but I need to see what you're talking about. What you're saying doesn't make any sense. Can you post a screenshot of one of your units engaged with an enemy unit while you're clicked on your unit. I need to see what the Grog toolbar looks like for you, because I downloaded 8.5 from the same link you did and its working fine for me.

    Or even better if you have a youtube account, a short video showing what happens when you engage the enemy would be even more helpful. I just need to see it, because your descriptions make no sense to me.
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